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 Post subject: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:34 pm 
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Starshiy Serzhant
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A request was made as to "how to roll a greatcoat". This is the correct way to make a greatcoat roll, called a skatka.

However, the modern greatcoat we use is of a slightly different cut to the Obr 35 and 43 greatcoats originally used, but it is still possible.

Step 1.
Lay your greatcoat out flat on the ground with the half belt at the back un-done. Make sure the coat is as flat as possible with pockets etc flat and not bunched up.

Step 2.
Start rolling up from the collar until you are level with the sleeves.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:35 pm 
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Step 3.
Fold over the two corners of the greatcoat skirt, they should be in (an invisible) line with the cuffs of the sleeve.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:37 pm 
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Step 4.
Fold over the bottom of the skirt of the coat, make sure the entire "V" split is in the folded over section.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:39 pm 
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Step 5.
Roll it up nice and tight starting from the sleeve/collar end. Fold over in half and secure with strap.

Two or three practice runs and it becomes quite easy!


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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:44 pm 
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This is mine with the plasch attached. It's hard to confirm this is how the plasch was officially carried, but it fits, note how the plasch is the same length as the coat when rolled. Hmmm!

Period photo's can be interpreted that it was carried this way as the coat often appears nice and 'tightly rolled' with a shabby floppy outer layer, plus I know of at least one photo where a second strap is seen worn around the skatka at the half way point, thus stopping the plasch from sliding off the skatka at the shoulder.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:46 pm 
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...And finally, the illustration from a manual, no idea on the date of the manual, as I only have this very small picture.

Note the different cut and wider flair of the skirt panels.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:24 pm 
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Two period photo's which (to me) suggest the plasch is being worn over the greatcoat when rolled, both show what could be interpreted as a strap or chord around the skatka at the wearers shoulder.

The only other logical place it could be carried is in the meshok, but it would almost fill it! Either that or loads of frontovik dumped them.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:25 pm 
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Cheers Dutch. My Plasch and Shinel go together nicely.

Been wanting to learn this for a while now.

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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:13 pm 
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Thanks Dutch, still remember the way it was rolled up except for the folded in corners and you are right,
it needs the middle to be strapped to secure and help it remain flat. Adding the plashe makes it fatter.
It looks so flat and simple in the original photo's.

Baz used to fold the skirt into the sleeves and fold it in half, it was still fat!!.

Roman

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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:22 pm 
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The rolling-the-coat-up-and-inserting-into-the-sleeves method was given to us by a Russian living near me quite a few years ago, he himself was more into re-enacting Imperial Russian and Naploleonics. So maybe that info was erroneous for RKKA, but it was the ONLY method known to us.

I still remember him turning up at my flat all excited with this faxed drawing from Moscow on how to roll a greatcoat!

The finished skatka never looked right to me, they never matched up with period photo's, this method shown here does match up with period photo's as the seam lines on the skatka match up nicely. Check out the seams and pockets in this picture with the skatka I rolled.


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Sergei Nikolaevich Vasilevski
a.k.a. Dutch
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Memory Lane,
Hampshire.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/RedArmyReproductions
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 Post subject: Re: Rolling your greatcoat
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:59 pm 
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I seam to recall from a genuine pre-war cavalry greatcoat I used to own that they were thinner fabric than the modern coats we use, this would account for why the skatka in period pictures looks "thinner". It would also enable you to roll it tighter and smoother.

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http://www.etsy.com/shop/RedArmyReproductions


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