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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: What was the life in the USSR like Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:16 pm |
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Hi Folks,
This thread is a kind of continuation of another one on this Forum, entitled I was sent this link today, which was started on 14th May 2008.
I would like to give here a short sketch of how we lived in the USSR.
First of all, I deem it wise to emphasize the following three points.
First, all what I write on this Forum is my personal feelings and views, although I am convinced that the similar feelings and views have been shared by millions of my compatriots.
Second, it is important to remember that I personally have never been a member of the Communist Party.
Third, I am not going either to promote whichever political ideals, or to defend, praise or detract whatever political system.
I DO ONLY PROVIDE YOU WITH AN INSIGHT.
Some 20 years ago, when the Iron Curtain was still hindering personal contacts and the free exchange of information was hampered, we common people in the Soviet Union had constructed -- of course! -- our own set of stereotypes about the West. Since one of the conspicuous traits of our ethnic Russian character has been a tendency to romanticize the foreigners – especially the Europeans – so our stereotypes about the West were very ''rosy''.
Excessively rosy, I would say.
We Russians (or the Soviets, if you wish to call us this way) used to consider Western Europe to be almost a paradise, while the United States to be a complete paradise on the Earth.
At the same time, our ''red commissars'' used to teach us about the following:
1. That, allegedly, there is unemployment in the West – We common Soviet citizens would laugh at that silly idea: What unemployment could ever exist in a paradise (the West)? So, we did not believe in that, especially because since 1932 in our country we had had no unemployment at all.
2. That, allegedly, there are homeless and poor people in the West – We did not believe in that, either, because by the mid-1950s we have already re-built almost all of the 1700 (one thousand and seven hundred) cities and towns, as well as 70000 (seventy thousand) villages entirely devastated by the German invaders during the Great Patriotic War. Indeed, if we Russians had no homeless people here, how could those wretched persons exist in the rich and affluent West? Unthinkable!
3. That, allegedly, there are a lot of people in the West who cannot afford the proper medical care – We laughed especially loudly at this commies’ assertion, because all of us Russians (pardon: Soviets  ) had always free medical care, including complicated surgical operations. Free of charge, I repeat!
4. That, allegedly, the Higher Education in the West is very expensive – Since we in the Soviet Union had FREE Higher Education, so we did not believe that anything in the rich western ''paradise” might be anyhow worse than that with us here.
And so on, and so forth.
Since the Iron Curtain has fallen and we have got free access to the immediate information from abroad, we have changed dramatically our stereotypes about the West.
Now we can clearly see that there is no paradise there …
It was a great disappointment, alas.
Now, a few words about the word Communism. Strictly speaking, that ''Communism'' which was proclaimed by Karl Marx, has never existed on the Earth. What we had in the Soviet Union was Socialism.
Walter Duranty -- a British-born American correspondent who had lived and worked in the USSR in the 1930s -- wrote in his book I Write As I Please (ed. N.Y., 1936, page 339): ''... Socialist system is the abolition of the power of money and the profit motive and of the possibility for any individual or group of individuals to gain surplus value from the work of others. This and this alone is the true foundation of Socialism''.
In fact, what we had in the Soviet Union I would rather call a ''State Capitalism with elements of Socialism'' than ''pure Socialism''. The notion of social equity has always been very close and dear to the Russian people's Orthodox Christian mentality. Which is why most of our people accepted Socialism in their heart.
Well, let's compare some figures.
Today, in the USA the top managers of great companies have been getting an income which is 600 times bigger than that of an average worker. Imagine!
While in the USSR there existed the following scale of incomes (approximately):
Let's take the lower-paid worker's income for 100 percent. Then, an ordinary engineer received 200 percent, a very skilled worker received 300 percent, a manager (boss) of a factory received 400 percent, a very big ''industrial boss'' received 500 percent, and finally a State Minister received 600 percent.
So, the ratio between the lowest and the highest salary was 1 : 6, not 1 : 600 as in America. Feel the difference.
In the USSR the most acute was THE HOUSING PROBLEM
No wonder!
When the Great Patriotic War ended in 1945, there were in the Soviet Union 25 million absolutely homeless people who had to take shelter in dug-outs.
Literally in dug-outs, because 1,700 cities and towns, as well as 70,000 villages were burnt to the ground by the two-legged animals -- the German invaders!
The whole of Belorussia, the Ukraine, and the western part of Russia were reduced to ashes . . .
Another problem, connected to the first one, was also the harsh Russian climate. While, say, in England you can build a house with its walls of only one-brick-layer thickness, at the very same time in Russia the walls MUST be made of, at least, three brick layers.
Plus the intense heating, which has been absolutely necessary during six of each twelve months a year.
Plus doubled window framing, doubled doors, etc.
Simply put, this means that a common average house in Russia has always been about three times more expensive than a common average house in England.
It is self-evident that in the USSR the common people's income could not be big enough as to buy a house, the more so that no mortgage existed.
But the Soviet Authorities used to allocate cosy and warm DWELLINGS , flats or apartments with all affordable amenities, to the Soviet citizens FREE OF CHARGE, the monthly rent for a state-owned flat not exceeding 5 or 7 percent of the average worker's monthly salary.
NO HOMELESS PEOPLE EXISTED IN THE USSR.
NO UNEMPLOYMENT.
NO STARVING PEOPLE.
NO BEGGARS IN THE STREETS.
A 28-DAY FULLY PAID HOLIDAY (VACATION) A YEAR.
NO MORTGAGE EXISTED -- HENCE NO FINANCIAL BONDAGE.
FREE EDUCATION, INCLUDING THE HIGHER.
FREE MEDICAL CARE, INCLUDING COMPLICATED SURGERY OPERATIONS.
FREE SANATORIUM VOUCHERS, BED & FOOD INCLUDED, UP TO 14 DAYS A YEAR.
NO DRUG ADDICTION (NARCOMANIA).
SPORADIC, MINIMAL STREET CRIME.
Almost forgot: VODKA.
Yes, it is true, we Russians can drink much more of vodka than the Westerners, who prefer to sip alcohol beverages deluted with something. Perhaps, it is because we have a stronger stomach  , a better health  , and a more severe climate  .
We have an old saying: ''What is good for a Russian, is frequently lethal for a German''. But in general, the story of ''Russian alcoholism'' is greatly exaggerated. The ''drunkards'' could have never managed to launch the first Cosmonaut in Space, it is evident.
I myself do not drink vodka.
So, to conclude the first part of my recollections, I would say that the life of the common man (and woman, of course) in the USSR was quite normal and stable, frequently rather pleasant. At least, it was not similar to that nightmare which has been usually portrayed by the Hollywood movies.
What is most essential: We used to live quietly without any fear. Believe me!
Next time I am going to tell you about how we lived through the Cold War.
_________________ SI VIS VIVERE - NOLI RUSSIAM TANGERE
Last edited by Michael Kuznetsov on Mon May 19, 2008 1:41 pm, edited 6 times in total.
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Kozlov
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Post subject: Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:23 am |
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Interesting stuff Michael!
Please keep going with the next chapter!
_________________ "Lenin left us a great legacy, and we have f*cked it up." I.V. Stalin, June 29, 1941
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:06 pm |
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Hi Michael, thanks for adding this thread. It is really interesting for us to learn more about life in the USSR. I enjoyed your post.
Please tell us more.
Cheers, Ade.
_________________ http://www.2ndguards.com/index.htmlAdrian Borisovitch Stepanov Guards Starshina Unit 2 I/C 2nd Guards Rifle Div.
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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:00 pm |
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Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 9:34 am Posts: 80 Location: Russia
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Andy, Ade, and all the Comrades-in-Forum,
Thank you for your interest and support. I am happy to be so welcomed on your wonderful Forum!
I have just amended a little my initial text above (I am such a 'perfectionist'  ), beginning from the words "In the USSR the most acute was THE HOUSING PROBLEM" and down until the word "VODKA".
I hope you will find the second part interesting, too, when it is completed.
But I will need to spend quite a time to write it in a readable manner, you know.
Please remember that English is a foreign tongue for me.
Warmest regards from Russia to all the Forumers!
Michael
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Kozlov
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:14 pm |
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What is quite interesting in what you have said Michael is that in the West we of course were told that the Communists lied in what they said to the Soviet People... maybe that is true on some points, but the funny thing is that in the social points you discuss above they actually spoke the truth... but you, the People, thought they were lying
I knew about many of those social aspects of Soviet life actually, based upon that, the collapse of Communism must have been a tradegy for many ordinary people.
_________________ "Lenin left us a great legacy, and we have f*cked it up." I.V. Stalin, June 29, 1941
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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:48 am |
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You've caught the point, Andy.
You asked about my English and my naval career.
I began to study English, as many other Russians (Soviets) of my age, at school in the mid-60s. Then I continued to study it at the Marine School, then at the Marine College, then at the Foreign Languages Institute.
But I believe that all the above said educational institutions have provided me only with about one fifth of the whole of my knowledge of English. The other four fifths are the God's gift to me, and my personal interest in foreign tongues.
I understand 5 European languages, but I can communicate only in English quite fluently.
As to my naval "career", I must say that although I am a Captain-Lieutenant of the Russian Navy, in fact I have not had any real career, but regular trainings from time to time with certain intervals, because I was not a full-time military serviceman, but only a reserve officer. My short-timed duty tours used to include staying on battle ships in various Russian naval bases, and sometimes I went to open sea for military training.
But, I repeat, I was not a full-time career naval commissioned officer, only a reserve one.
In fact, all the fit and healthy men in Russia have a certain military rank. By my estimation Russia can enlist quickly, if necessary, about 30 million soldiers, NCOs, and commissioned officers, who are quite well trained in reserve units, not counting the present peace time Army and Navy.
To survive we must be always strong enough so that to make mincemeat of any aggressor.
C'est la vie!
At the same time, we have no aggressive plans. Be sure, Russians do not suffer from suicidal mania.
"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."
St Like 2:14
Regards,
Mike
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Kozlov
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:16 pm |
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Thanks Michael, more interesting stuff.
I thought every Soviet adult male had to serve in the military? And that the only way to defer it was to go to university and then into service (probably) as an officer?
You must have done some time in the navy as a full time officer to be a reserve officer no?
Please explain - this is a fascinating thing I have not seen before.
Your retirement from the reserves at your officer rank is 55? Certainly that is what it was in Soviet times, maybe the Russian Federation has changed this?
From what I know from the 70's/80's the Soviet Union could mobilize 2-3 million men in 24hrs, and the same amount again in 48hrs - this would double the size of the peacetime standing armed forces giving a total of between 9 and 11 million men in uniform within 2 days - quite a feat! Using reserves who have had military service within the previous 5 years this figure could be furthered to 13-14 million men in less than 10 days if required. I guess in theory this could go much further, but those figures illustrate the ability to react to aggression against the Motherland.
I'm not sure if the Russian Federation kept up the same ideas or even if now the manpower pool was somewhat reduced (ie no longer the Soviet Union, but only Russia) the numbers were even there.
Interesting stuff - as you can see my interests in your great nation are wide and varied 
_________________ "Lenin left us a great legacy, and we have f*cked it up." I.V. Stalin, June 29, 1941
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Post subject: Life & liesure Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:59 pm |
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I must add to the chorus of those people saying how fascinating this thread is.
One thing that I would like to ask about are holidays & hobbies. I notice that everyone had 28 days paid holiday.
Where did they go & how easy were the travel arrangements? I presume foreign holidays were a problem?
What did people like to do in their free time & what did the authorities encourage people to do & what facilities were provided?
_________________ “Freedom” is a grand word, but under the banner of freedom for industry the most predatory wars were waged, under the banner of freedom of labour, the working people were robbed.
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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:04 pm |
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Andy,
In Soviet times most of the Institutes and Universities in the USSR provided also military training, so that most of the graduates used to receive military education and officers ranks. I am one of them.
I do not know exactly how affairs are going now with this.
I believe little has changed.
For we have to be ready to defend our country disregarding whatever social system is being: either Tsarist, or Soviet or post-Soviet. No difference.
Yes, I might have chosen the full-time military service in the Navy, but I did not do that. It was a free choice. I became a seaman of the Soviet Commercial Fleet, a navigator.
Of course, Andy, my figure of 30 million is a very very rough estimation.
I am not an expert in mobilisation affairs, you know  !
I did simply divide 140 million by 2 (sexes) = 70 million males. Then I detracted babies, and very young boys, and very old men who cannot bear arms at all.
My idea is not to insist on the figure exactly of 30 millions.
No!
My idea is that everybody who can carry at least a knife or a hand grenade, all of us will stand up immediately for the defence of our beloved country, our Motherland.
Even I, a cripple as I am now, I will take my crutches and will shuffle to beat aggressors. That is what I mean, in fact, not exactly 30 million, you see.
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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:59 pm |
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Hi Kolya,
Nice to hear from you.
Your question provides me with another one topic to be illustrated some time in the future in my recollections on this Forum.
Meanwhile, just a few lines.
Yes, foreign holidays were a problem.
During their holidays people used to go preferably to the famous shores of the Black and Azov Seas, in the Crimea and the Northern Caucasus.
Wonderful climate, absolutely affordable transportation and quite comfortable accomodations - by Russian standards -- excellent conditions.
Those who did not manage to aquire a free voucher to a sanatorium, they would simply go to any freely chosen place on the sea shore and stay with the local inhabitants for reasonable fee, swimming in the sea and bathing in the sun ...
Cheers,
Michael
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Sasha Hujsova
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:59 pm |
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Hi, I can relate to all this. I remember when I was re-united with one of my aunts and 1st cousin, they had this rosey idea of life in the West and how much we earned. It was difficult trying to explain to them, dispite our 'huge wages', how much we had to pay for everything. Although my aunt received a small pension she did not have to pay for anything it was all state funded and she had free travel. The cost of living during the late 1980s to early 1990s were equivelent to that in the UK during the late 1950s to 1960s. Also, looking back during the Cold War era, it becomes more apparent how propaganda works on peoples minds and their insecurities. And yes, I also remember the shock on my aunts face when she saw the homeless people living on the back streets in London, they had nothing like that back home. No, I've decided I'll not be going West, its East for me  . Keep this thread going!!
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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:53 pm |
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Hi, Folks,
While the second part of my recollections is still being in work, I invite you to visit AGAIN this webpage: http://www.russian-victories.ru/index.htm which I have just updated significantly, by adding there some new photos and text to the sub-section (at the bottom page) titled What was the life in the USSR like.
You will see how our people used to live in the ruins immediately after the War and what kind of buildings were erected by the Soviet State soon after, to provide the homeless population with dwellings.
When examining the sad picture of the poor women with children sitting in great sorrow amidst the ruins of their home, you should remember that it was those same Russian people who in a 10 years' time had managed to restore our devasted country and to launch the first Sputnik (4 October 1957) and then the first Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin (12 April 1961) in Space, having left behind the wealthiest country in the world -- the USA.
Was it not a miracle?
Warmest regards from Russia,
Michael
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Post subject: Rebuilding from scratch Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:17 pm |
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Hi Michael , I have been trying to catch up with all the material in the thread and I almost feel like we have let you down in the west.
Your comment about rebuilding homes from the rubble and devastation of the war impressed me.
I thought of how Germany was able to re-equip its industries with new up-to-date machinery (while the UK soldiered on with old equipment), and their towns were rebuilt to new plans and standards, while we rebuilt to the old patterns.
In the end Germany leap-frogged us in commercial and industrial terms.
Most importantly I seem to remember that a lot of it was funded by the allies (The Marshall Plan?).
I am wondering if the Russians had as much support from the west (my instincts say that they probably did not); because if they did it alone this is surely a great achievement and shows a special quality that the Russians possess.
Regarding Nicks question about holidays: I can imagine that there was no real need to go outside the Soviet Union for a holiday because ,given its size,it would have had every kind of holiday destination a person could wish for.
I only wish we could have come and enjoyed it with you more !
Please keep the observations and opinions coming; it is fascinating and very thought-provoking.
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Очын приатна - Эа вас !!
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Post subject: PS sputniks and space dogs Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:21 pm |
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PS : I can remember watching the reports on the successful launch of Sputnik (and later Leica as well) on black and white television at my Nannas house in London !
It was fascinating listening to its beeping sounds.
It was sad about Leiva though.
_________________ Name: Robert Fillipovich Soodyarov
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Очын приатна - Эа вас !!
Drink Tea, Be Mellow !
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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:16 pm |
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Yes, Bob, you are right as always!
Sorry, I was unable to respond earlier.
No Marshall Plan for the USSR existed.
The reason why is too a huge topic to be discussed here and now.
Warmest regards from Russia
Michael
This is the right inscription Очень приятно -- За вас! 
_________________ SI VIS VIVERE - NOLI RUSSIAM TANGERE
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:27 pm |
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When I found this thread, I was pleased that some of my suspicions were confirmed on a subject I had been giving much thought to lately. I have been wondering for awhile about will we ever find out what it was like in the Soviet Union. We know that we were fed Cold War propaganda, but I think most of us believed that what we were told was basically the truth. As an individual whose future was devastated by the 'Thatcher Years', I still believed that the elected leadership of our 'Democratic' societies would be more honest & open than the Soviets, but I always knew that as a Soviet citizen I would at least have the option to join the CPSU, keep me nose clean and make a better future for myself. For many of us here, there were no such options. And oh yes, we could never afford to travel abroad until a few years ago. It barely occurred to us. Keep it up Michael. It would be interesting if oral histories could be collected and published on the subject.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:20 am |
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In similar conversations on other forums I have discussed the point that you made about life in the UK during the Cold War... the mega consumerism isn't something which took place until maybe right at the end.
Certainly my memories of the 70's weren't of having very much...
_________________ "Lenin left us a great legacy, and we have f*cked it up." I.V. Stalin, June 29, 1941
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:30 am |
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Kozlov wrote: Certainly my memories of the 70's weren't of having very much...
Yes, I'd agree. Also I remember every week we had lengthy power cuts and my parents bought candles in the weekly shopping.
_________________ Semyon Yakovlevich Sorókin
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"The guts of the German army have been largely torn out by Russian valour and generalship." - Winston Churchill, speech to Parliament 1944
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Michael Kuznetsov
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:30 am |
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Hi, Folks,
I need your friendly involvement to help me understand some points.
Recently, I was really stunned to find in a reputable Western edition this shocking phrase :
". . . The victory over Nazi Germany was achieved through the lives of millions of Soviets, who for reasons that defy logic made the ultimate sacrifice . . ."
I struggled to understand if that was a bad joke, or what – "for reasons that defy logic."
Verily, I am afraid that we shall hardly ever positively comprehend the West . . .
In this regard, I have just updated the page
http://www.russian-victories.ru/index.htm
where I have posted a few new photos and texts. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
As to the Cold War, I will put down my recollections as soon as I have finished a piece of urgent work, connected to my current occupation (English translator).
Regards
Michael
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I think it's down to the Western perception of life under communism. The western liberal outlook is very different from that of Russia. Our historian here, who would view both nationalism and patriotism as bizarre and rather vulgar, would be unable to understand why a people that had, in the previous ten years -
NOTE: THIS POINT OF VIEW DOES NOT REFLECT THE AUTHORS - IT IS DERIVED FROM CLOSE STUDY OF THE PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN CLASS AND THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS LIBERAL OUTLOOK WHILE A STUDENT.
- been starved, arrested without trial, executed, repressed and generally nastified by an evil dictator. That people would fight for such a cause defies their logic. That the Russian people could fight for a vision of Russia, national pride and hope in the future does not occur to them, because their world experience is so different and their ability to imagine another persons point of view almost nonexistant.
So, not a bad joke, just a fatally limited ability to empathise with another point of view.
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